Dear Spammers
Posted By
jimiyo
To the ones that say “Awesome design +1, Please check out my design” and copy/paste it on every entry,
I notice who you are, and this behavior, although it might help you get votes, it is actually counter productive when the DBH Staff and I have to make a decision on what to print.
Just sayin, “Oh, that’s that guy who spams on everyone’s design…” doesn’t really help to put you in good light.
Having been an artist myself on the site, and still participating from time to time, I totally despise spamming comments. I will be ruthlessly vocal in rejecting a design when it comes down to choosing a design between a legitimate vote getter versus a spammer.
Cheers!
Comments
fatboy said: i agree..
yet what about when new users come into the community, and they see people doing it and they notice its working and getting votes. how would they no that its not really the best thing for their designs!?….
ya, when i first found this site, i thought that’s what you were supposed to do to get votes
I believe the exchange rate is 10,000 spam votes to 1 sincere vote
never thought for a second that spammers got over on the DBH staff but it’s good to let them know
Just for everyone’s information… When i comment, I mean it. I’m not a spammer. People might think I’m a spammer just becauze sometimes I only comment like “Awesome! +1.” I only comment and vote for designs that I think are awesome. So if you see iQuitt, that’s legit. haha…
Oh, I also got another spam today. Stop spamming me people! I check out the voting pages from time to time. If your design intrigues me I’ll check it out.
i think DBH team should send an open letter for this matter. set the rules.
Or maybe “Guide to all newcomers” or “Newbies 101 link” hehe =) or A letter guidelines emailed to the newly signed up.. I think they dont know what they are doing.. And they think its ok..So why not guide them.. Instead of hating. Lets make DBH a healthy place..DBH is growing. =)
Thanks for this! I think there should be a ‘flag this user as spammer’ or something. hehe
When they’re indiscriminately copy pasting the same thing on every design, they know exactly what they’re doing. “ecliptic_dc” for example has posted
“Cool Design. +1
Please check out my designs. If you like it, votes are appreciated.
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/register_vote?design_id=49878&rating=1
On every single entry on the first page. They know it’s wrong, but think they can get away with it, or nobody will notice.
yea, this pisses me off. I like to comment when I vote on a design, but I don’t expect a vote in return and mos def don’t beg for it.
ye i agree with the 2nd comment.
i am new and i kinda thought thats how your ment 2 go about getting votes.
i see it all the time, and its not pointed out clearly thats its not teh rite way 2 do it!!!!
I usually do check the link and vote if the design is good. However, I agree, the “check and vote for me” comment will only bring you down. I wonder if someone actually starting this kind of trend, since it happened very often here, as compared to other similar design contest website
ritzh said: Or maybe “Guide to all newcomers” or “Newbies 101 link” hehe =) or A letter guidelines emailed to the newly signed up.. I think they dont know what they are doing.. And they think its ok..So why not guide them.. Instead of hating. Lets make DBH a healthy place..DBH is growing. =)
^^ what he said. :)
i especially don’t check those dudes. I try to check the new designs often and vote/comment if i really like. Hope they will soon understand that this will get them nowhere. I don’t know if it’s too harsh but there can be a ban system that deactivates spammers design for a period of time and that noone can vote on their designs for a while.
thestray said: When they’re indiscriminately copy pasting the same thing on every design, they know exactly what they’re doing. “ecliptic_dc” for example has posted
“Cool Design. +1
Please check out my designs. If you like it, votes are appreciated.
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/register_vote?design_id=49878&rating=1
On every single entry on the first page. They know it’s wrong, but think they can get away with it, or nobody will notice.
I didn’t notice this at first, but this one is worse than others.
As soon as you click that link, you VOTE.
If you want to or not.
Yeah, I’m new to the site and saw the spam thing going down(I’m a little guilty, I did it probably 10 times on my first day), more so than on other sites it seemed like everyone was doing it.
Now I know, lemmings, jumping off bridges after my friends, etc…
But again, to a newcomer, that seemed like the DBH ‘culture’ of procuring votes. I’ve ceased & desisted, but I think ritzh nailed it, come up with a Newbie 101 or something.
I agree with the spacemonkey. For a newcomer, it really seems like this is how the things work on DBH. I left a few aswell but I erased them later because I didn’t have the slightest intention to annoy the designers which designs I actually liked. Sorry…lesson learned!
and what about spams like " ….cool, +1 check my design….." and after this comment you don`t have any votes…. i had like 2 or 3 coments like this one after the other and no votes!!!!
this is f###g spam…. anyway i am trying to check all this links and i vote for designs which i like, but to be honest it`s feels much better when some people comment and do not ask you to do it back….i am checking their profiles anyway, and vote for them if they got nice designs! ( at list i`m trying to do it…) so, guys let`s be honest to each other and give votes and comments to designs you really like!!!!!
ritzh said: Or maybe “Guide to all newcomers” or “Newbies 101 link” hehe =) or A letter guidelines emailed to the newly signed up.. I think they dont know what they are doing.. And they think its ok..So why not guide them.. Instead of hating. Lets make DBH a healthy place..DBH is growing. =)
This sounds like a great plan!
I’ve put it on my ever growing to do list.
I agree . Noticed this the first week of becoming a member here. I was like what the hell that guy said the same sh*t about my design to a bunch of others. It would be nice to send out something to everyone to let them know that asking for votes and sending out spam isn’t going to buy them much as far as getting there designs picked goes. I don’t really know how things work here when it comes to choosing a winner but if this type of thing is frustrating for members than i’m sure it’s really frustrating for the staff.
Soggy_Waffle said:fatboy said: i agree..
yet what about when new users come into the community, and they see people doing it and they notice its working and getting votes. how would they no that its not really the best thing for their designs!?….ya, when i first found this site, i thought that’s what you were supposed to do to get votes
this is what I first think of this site :S
I’m glad to see this post, many of my comments are from these people :)
It’s counter-productive, really… I never look at profiles or designs if people are just asking for votes. If I get legit comments I almost always look to see if they have any entries.
Having an introduction guide for new members would be a great addition. As for me it´s very welcome to see the DBH team takes care of the community in this way and looks after the artists. I browse through the new submissions once in a while and try to see most of them. On the one side for inspiration on the other one to support those I enjoy and think they put effort into their work.
Thanks for this thread. And I am mostly for a positive description so I vote for the introduction guide and show the positive sides instead of the “don´t do´s”. Because those implement “don´t do what we don´t want you to do” which might be understood as “oh yeah a rule to break!”.
When I first joined I though that making good designs was the way to get votes.
When I first joined DBH I felt like I needed to gain attention because so many of the great artists don’t have time to be checking often and tend to miss some good ones and they usually have really useful opinions. (and I was and still am hoping to get to that level) That is why I would write in the profile asking them to check it out, if I annoyed anyone accept please accept me slapping myself right now! BAM! however I NEVER felt like it was right to spam within the comments of someone’s design, that just shows how little you care about what other people are creating anyway.
Wow jimiyo i totally agree with this +1
Hey if its not too much will you check out my desig……<
jk i dont even have any designs
amen..
and if you are “new” and thought that it was what everyone does then the site would be pointless. Take a look around for five minutes and it’s pretty apparent. no excuses. don’t be a jackass.
i am new to DBH. when i first got here i find a lot of people comment like that, so i did the same.
i am very sorry if i annoyed anyone, and i am giving myself a slap on the face too. From now on i will only give out comments to great designs and designs that need more works. i can guarantee there won’t be any spams from me. and I’ll do the best i can to make DBH a great community for everyone.
still i would love to have people visit my design
and please leave some comments if you like my designs, if not please leave on suggestions, so i can improve.
Thank you
what about people like me that put cool design +1 and actually do add +1 because I do like it. I feel the need for some reason to say I dig it enough to rate it and I am not going into specifics “cool design”…
I don’t vote on a design unless I dig it.
I also don’t add “a vote for me”. I figure if you dig it you will vote…
LOSmattocks said: what about people like me that put cool design +1 and actually do add +1 because I do like it. I feel the need for some reason to say I dig it enough to rate it and I am not going into specifics “cool design”…
I don’t vote on a design unless I dig it.
I also don’t add “a vote for me”. I figure if you dig it you will vote…
I think that’s fine, I do that too, if you like a design you don’t have to explain why.
If you can figure out how to filter legit comments from the spam +1 vote whores, I think you’d be able to sell that technology to many other shirt sites. I always figured DBH ignored votes anyway and just picked the good designs. At least that’s what it seems, and I find nothing wrong with that.
againstbound said:LOSmattocks said: what about people like me that put cool design +1 and actually do add +1 because I do like it. I feel the need for some reason to say I dig it enough to rate it and I am not going into specifics “cool design”…
I don’t vote on a design unless I dig it.
I also don’t add “a vote for me”. I figure if you dig it you will vote…I think that’s fine, I do that too, if you like a design you don’t have to explain why.
+1 to that haha
Hopefully this thread changes people who copy/paste for votes. If your design is to my personal taste or I think it’s quality I will vote n comment. I figure people would do the same for my work. There is no trick to getting votes to me other then doing quality work.
gilmoreart said: Hopefully this thread changes people who copy/paste for votes. If your design is to my personal taste or I think it’s quality I will vote n comment. I figure people would do the same for my work. There is no trick to getting votes to me other then doing quality work.
I don’t think a large portion of the community ever really checks the forums. It seems like the same dozen or so people are all that post here, and three of them are staff. It will take time for the forums to become popular. Here’s an idea, how about the “Guide to Newcomers” is linked in the process of registering for the site AND in the confirmation email that activates your account. There’s a whole lot of really useful information you could put there. Maybe take it one step further, make a new tab for “newbies” in the forum that you can direct questions to. That’s better than an FAQ because it’s ever evolving, like a wiki, and as such is a resource that can decrease some of the load on DBH customer service.
I think that there is more to it than just saying dont spam. I remember a post a couple of weeks ago that said we should randomize how the designs are shown. If we were to do this somehow i think it would eliminate a lot of spamming. Because like its been said before, once you get down to say page 5 or lower, the number of people who see your design significantly drops. So you may not agree with me, but i personally thing there are more factors to spamming other than what is said. Now there are some people who do it just to try and get votes, but at the same time maybe they are trying to advertise for their design thats at the 15 page that no one will see. Just my way of thinking of it.
I don’t know, there were great designs I never saw for the last 3 contests that got a ton of votes. I think if a design is good, or at least visually interesting, it will get the attention it should.
I did a bunch of browsing to catch up on my voting since I stopped because the Quicksilver and KOL contests were overwhelming (and the filter hadn’t been created yet), and the amount of spammers replying almost turned me off from voting at all. It’s just tacky and fake to see 37 “cool design +1 vote for me http://www.imadouche.com/hereismyspamtee” comments. It makes it feel like I’m going through some kind of cold machine, rather than checking out a human’s actual creativity.
cockergod is right! people can actually die without ever noticing my dearest rubik robot tshirt! :D
randomizing is fair but a little stupid, too many designs there…
maybe we should delete poor designs, set a treshold, like, designs with less than 20 votes in 24 hours go to the SOUP!
or they wouldn’t make it to the second, third page, etc.!
there must be solutions.
i’ll never spam.
i’ve just seen a shit stupid design with like, 120 votes. i think only spammers voted on it :) and they met it through spamming :) spammers playground :)
gyudisanyi said: cockergod is right! people can actually die without ever noticing my dearest rubik robot tshirt! :D
randomizing is fair but a little stupid, too many designs there…
maybe we should delete poor designs, set a treshold, like, designs with less than 20 votes in 24 hours go to the SOUP!
or they wouldn’t make it to the second, third page, etc.!
there must be solutions.
i’ll never spam.
i’ve just seen a shit stupid design with like, 120 votes. i think only spammers voted on it :) and they met it through spamming :) spammers playground :)
Randomization is a way better idea than deleting designs for not getting enough votes in a day. That wouldn’t be fair, and would boost spamming if anything.
BCHC said:thestray said: When they’re indiscriminately copy pasting the same thing on every design, they know exactly what they’re doing. “ecliptic_dc” for example has posted
“Cool Design. +1
Please check out my designs. If you like it, votes are appreciated.
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/register_vote?design_id=49878&rating=1
On every single entry on the first page. They know it’s wrong, but think they can get away with it, or nobody will notice.I didn’t notice this at first, but this one is worse than others.
As soon as you click that link, you VOTE.
If you want to or not.
that’s actually really clever.
A random system like threadless has should work and would be the most fair…. plus the options to see things buy popular, most recent, ect
gyudisanyi said: cockergod is right! people can actually die without ever noticing my dearest rubik robot tshirt! :D
randomizing is fair but a little stupid, too many designs there…
maybe we should delete poor designs, set a treshold, like, designs with less than 20 votes in 24 hours go to the SOUP!
or they wouldn’t make it to the second, third page, etc.!
there must be solutions.
i’ll never spam.
i’ve just seen a shit stupid design with like, 120 votes. i think only spammers voted on it :) and they met it through spamming :) spammers playground :)
So you guys surf the design tab of the forums to vote? That’s interesting. I just go to the regular vote page. I still think it would be cool if someone in the community who does a lot of voting took up the task of finding rare gems in the subs every week and posting them in the forums for people to check out. A cliff’s notes, so to speak.
What do you guys think about anonymous submissions? Where the artist’s design has no identifying name or icon on it during voting?
do my spam comments from my designs made half a year ago count against me? i was new and stupid. im sorry! i only did it with the designs that arent up for vote anymore (cause i pretty much left for a few months and came back with a ton of new designs).
So you guys surf the design tab of the forums to vote? That’s interesting. I just go to the regular vote page. I still think it would be cool if someone in the community who does a lot of voting took up the task of finding rare gems in the subs every week and posting them in the forums for people to check out. A cliff’s notes, so to speak.
What do you guys think about anonymous submissions? Where the artist’s design has no identifying name or icon on it during voting?
no, i’m using the regular vote page, too,
i think the shitcrap design i’ve seen was through a link i’ve found among, guess what, comments! :)
the cliff’s note is a good idea!
but what do you expect for anonymous subs?
thestray: you’re right, that’d actually boost spamming…
agree with you jimiyo, set the rules, I have got enough messages: check my desing, look at my design, next good idea will be separate counter (maybe only visible for you) with will count only votes from people who make shopping or have design to vote and aren’t spammers of course :)
Awesome post + 1! please check out my designs! No but seriously the spamming in the last couple of months has been ridiculous, it’s all over peoples submissions page like the plague ! agreed with ritzh about directing peeps to this post, I think it would curtail the problem alot
i think at least DBH can nominate 3 worst spammers and maybe delete their account or burn them alive (this last one will work with 100 % guaranty :)
Okay… I JUST read this, and am TOTALLY guilty (as if you didn’t know.)
‘Green Tara’ may have been my first submission, but I’ve been lurking and voting for several months. Prior to my recent promotional spam-spree, I was picking only those designs that I would personally wear. (I guess that should be the determining factor in voting, right… would you or perhaps your significant other wear it?) But only one of my ‘legitimate’ picks was ever chosen as a winner, and that just recently. In my opinion, there are MANY spectacular designs that simply don’t get printed. I’ve watched them come and, unfortunately, go. Conversely, there are a good many somewhat mediocre designs that DO get printed. So upon submitting my first entry, I had to ask myself, “what do the winners DO that the losers DON’T do?” Being from an advertising background, the (perhaps erroneous) answer came quickly “they promote themselves.” And as others were doing it, and as I hadn’t yet read this topic, that’s what I set out to do… to ‘shamelessly’ promote myself.
I posted my design url outside of the DBH arena, and I emailed my friends, but I really don’t think it has amounted to very much. By and large, one’s votes will come from within the community, as people outside of the community simply won’t go through the trouble of signing up just to vote on a design.
What to do? Once one’s design gets three or four pages back in the votes, they’re basically drowning in a sea of designs. So how can one at least attempt to get their design seen by voters? Make an appearance on as many design pages as possible. That’s all I set out to do.
When commenting on a design, I try to find something nice to say about it, even if the design is somehow flawed. The way I see it, rudimentary designers need encouragement. I have never begged for anyone’s ‘support’ or ‘vote,’ I merely asked them to ‘look’ at my design when they got a chance. Yes, sometimes I was at an entire loss for words… “nice design +1.” I guess I never felt like my single vote for a mediocre design would send it over the top, but I guess if everyone did it, then the DBH voting system would break down. I can see now that it is a ‘bribe’ of sorts, and I can also see why spamming is so strongly detested. And I apologize to all those offended.
But it’s not as though I wasn’t somewhat encouraged to spam. I sincerely wish that if the DBH’s staff had felt the way jimiyo has here expressed, they would have said so in the “your design has been accepted” message… something like, “please don’t spam.” Instead, in said message it read:
“… to help you in your attempts at SHAMELESS self-promotion, copy and paste this code into an email or blog posting to help people vote on your design… Good luck! Now go rally the troops!”It was practically an invitation to spam, and sent the wrong message entirely. I’m a little frustrated by this, and I feel more than a bit stupid. I wish I could change my identity, or go crawl off into a hole somewhere.
I could name off so many people who do this. I just want to go to their profile and tell them to shut up but I hold it back. I did do that to one person though and then he deleted all my comments, haha.
FluentSword said: I don’t know, there were great designs I never saw for the last 3 contests that got a ton of votes. I think if a design is good, or at least visually interesting, it will get the attention it should.
Again I resort to quoting the master of eloquent blogging
gilmoreart said: riding the pony hahahaha
HA. Great that you watched through it!!!
Dodge the Guitars!
well hell! heres to me thinking people actually liked my first sub…ah naivete. Well I do hope some critiques would have came along with it…hehehe. No wonder I was like hmmm…..i got 9 votes already?…way cool…lmao!!! Oh well I hope every one reads this…would be great to hear from people who actually like what you do.
Im so glad to hear that the DBH staff actually realizes that this happens.
thanks jimyo.
I actually ask for people NOT to vote for my stuff. I’m only using dbh as a portfolio site :)
hosting fees, pfffffffttt
I`m really really sick of those “check mine too” comments…
If you commented on my design, of course I`m gonna wonder who`s voting for me and check your design too. If every vote getting a vote in return why voting ? If somebody writes check mine too, that means that one is NOT a designer, just stupid…
yeah!!! i’m tired of those people btw,damn! they’re still spamming like hell =(
I can`t enjoy my design like this thinking if they voting for really liking my design or to just to get vote in return…
dj_mrt said: I`m really really sick of those “check mine too” comments…
If you commented on my design, of course I`m gonna wonder who`s voting for me and check your design too. If every vote getting a vote in return why voting ? If somebody writes check mine too, that means that one is NOT a designer, just stupid…
lol i dont ever look at those designs cause i just awesome that theyre terrible if they have to spam DBH to get enough votes.
Most of u geeks, have no idea what spam is. U can’t spam and vote at the same time. Spaming is bad, voting is good. If i want to spamDBH, i simply write a small program that spams u to the sky, BUT does not vote at the same time.
So if i say good work +1, think i could also say the some of ur designs suck to the white bone.
Respect.
P.S This is an undercover id, think i spam u again!
HAHAHAHA
I hate spamming as much as the next guy, but I think the whole concept has evolved from the notion of “votes”. The more votes you have the more chance you get at a print. Unfortunately, most new members don’t realise that spam votes actually go against them in the long term. They post random “please vote for me” comments all over the place thinking that it is the acceptable thing.
In all honestly……….I think the spam voting is a simple problem which could be overcome with a stern message from DBH at the point of membership. Gathering votes from all and sundry over the inter-web is fine if the voters are willing to join DBH but random asking for votes isn’t. It messes up our profile page and lowers the credentials………….
Honest truth but not nice from a professional point of view.
Maybe DBH could incorporate a message into their new membership email which stipulates that spamming is frowned upon. Give it to em upfront…………
We all need a good bollocking every now and then….keeps things even.
Yes please, DBH do something! I think it got worse, in the beginning when I joined it didn’t bother me that much but now it’s really annoying, and I just hate those “voted +1” just to see they didn’t actually vote!
i don’t like spam either, but i think with voting system like now, DBH couldn’t avoid the spammers.. they think their designs has buried with tons of new submissions so they need spamming others submisions/profiles to get more attention (votes). DBH should think about new voting system.. i guess
What about this : It`s obvious that weekend time is the most users are coming to DBH. Starting from Monday morning to Friday night we submit our works. DBH chooses 40 of them to vote at friday night. 1 Vote page takes 40 designs. And saturday morning we have the contestants. And during the weekend, for 2 days, everybody votes.
ArtrocitY said: Yes please, DBH do something! I think it got worse, in the beginning when I joined it didn’t bother me that much but now it’s really annoying, and I just hate those “voted +1” just to see they didn’t actually vote!
i kinda notice that too… that’s why i don’t bother giving those kinds of comments anymore.. i just comment to some artists who I knew when i got in this site..conversational ones.. i know its not a chat site either, but can we have a sorta twitter thing to send direct msges to an inbox i suppose.? thats just a suggestion.. :)
hey, DBH team!!! i got idea…
what about adding to site options like SORT DESIGNS BY:
-highest and lowest votes….
- newest and oldest…
and maybe most commented….
i think it will give us better chance to look thru designs…
now, there are about 120 pages of designs….i am sure there are a lot of great designs losted…and people have to spend much time to go thru all of this pages…to find it….
also i am for idea to make voting time 30 days…i think it will make better " SPAM" situation here….
biotwist said: that’s a terrible idea and why is it obvious?
because if you check, people gets votes too much at weekend…the main idea in these spams like io_tee said : people think their designs has buried with tons of new submissions…
because people thinks the votes the only parameter choosing prints. But always DBH team makes the last decision. I saw printed designs with 19 or 20 votes, some printed 75-80 votes. People need to know that. And it is not a TERRIBLE idea my neighbor :)
yeah, agree. i’ll never check out the people who’s comments with " Will you check mine out?
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail….." this is make me sick, may be you guys spammer, you don’t ever said like that and for sur i’ll check ur artwork..comment just comment and don’t hope return back.
this is why i dont have a design up yet. Jimiyo, the last one i tried to get in was okay, but u rejected it?
zebra4 said: this is why i dont have a design up yet. Jimiyo, the last one i tried to get in was okay, but u rejected it?
that means it was not ok :)
zebra4 said: this is why i dont have a design up yet. Jimiyo, the last one i tried to get in was okay, but u rejected it?
Send me jpegs at art@designbyhumans.com. I’ve fairly liberal in approvals so artists can get critiques. If you send jpegs, and there is an artistic reason, I would gladly give you a critique to help you along on your artist journey. ;j
About spamming…
At the beggining clarification ;) I did like 5 comments like this, one day… I’ve got crisis ;) (well comments were not exactly “like this” coz I’m always trying to say smth more than “Awsome” about design), but after that I feel embraced and bad about myself so give up that practice ;)
Mainly, what I wanted to say, is that people should not vote on bad designs when they got a link from spammer. I saw few submissions that were really terrible, and about 100 votes and comment from, may I say, well respected community members O_O and it was like WTF is going on here??!?!?!
So not only spammers are to blame here I think… I know that it’s a simple psychological rule – reciprocity working here. But maybe if we say it outloud it will be easier to drown that rule in case of voting, and just follow only our own sense of aesthetics :)
I am very glad to see you all talking about this. I am brand new to this site only one sub in to date. But as I was scanning and voting through different designs all I saw was “+ 1, check out my sub” type comments. It crossed my mind to follow that pattern but something just feels off about doing things that way.
I definitely agree DBH should make it more clear to new members that "spam posting isn’t the right way to get votes and that votes in general are not the only deciding factor for getting printed.
Also its up to us as a community of designers to not positively reinforce the spammers. If spamming is getting them votes why would they stop. We need to make a conscious decision to not vote for the spammers. Plain and simple that is the only way spamming will truly stop.
I’m glad to see (many) others are as annoyed by this as I am. I find it annoying that people are only voting on my designs so that I will vote for their’s, the whole reason I joined DBH was so that I could get some legitimate critique’s on my designs from other designers so as to improve my own design abilities. But when the only feedback I’m getting is “awesome +1. check out my design and vote if you like”, how is that supposed to help me as a designer. I don’t mind if you don’t like my design, everyone has different taste, but PLEASE don’t comment and vote for the sake of it as it’s a sure way of getting me to NOT vote on your design.
Having said all that I do understand why most of the newbies do it. Though not always the case, votes win and having not been told otherwise they are out to get as many votes as possible; and so I agree with the idea of having a way of tell people when they join that this is not the way to go about winning.
If your design is good enough and you are genuine in your comments then other members will notice it and vote.
I’ve personally never spammed… and I especially hate it when my profile is completely cluttered with spam, spam, spam. Do you people even look at the design and offer constructive criticism? That’s what really draws us to check out your work; if you make an intelligent comment, we’ll think “Hey, that’s not a spammer! OMG!” clicky
=)
Aye!!!.. you shrunk my baby skunkie !!! >:(… it used to be HUGE!.. sheesh!!!
ah well… at least it brought it to the top of the forum…
kennybanzai said: Aye!!!.. you shrunk my baby skunkie !!! >:(… it used to be HUGE!.. sheesh!!!
ah well… at least it brought it to the top of the forum…
bump! :) bring it back to the top.. hope “they” actually click on the “forum” tab
WAY TO GO!!!!! WTG jimiyo give it to em. that I-AM-charlie dude is the worst.
Heyyy, welcome in to DBH!! Love your profile pic! I’m keeping a sharp eye out for all your great stuff!
I’ve just got some of my very first designs in for the running, would be fantastic if you could vote and leave a comment, you know you want to!! Whenever you put a new design in just let me know and I’ll check it out for sure!
Charlie :D
nice topic sir, that is a nasty way to promote your design.
please check out my design
vad_ns said: hey, DBH team!!! i got idea…
what about adding to site options like SORT DESIGNS BY:
-highest and lowest votes….
- newest and oldest…
and maybe most commented….
i think it will give us better chance to look thru designs…
now, there are about 120 pages of designs….i am sure there are a lot of great designs losted…and people have to spend much time to go thru all of this pages…to find it….
also i am for idea to make voting time 30 days…i think it will make better " SPAM" situation here….
this is a good idea but at the same its a bad idea… i mean the voting times are really long and gives longer advantage for peoples stuff to get seen… but on the other hand who really goes back to the 89th page to see whats back there. i guess you dont need to look back many pages if you come on here on a regular basis or arnt new. Sorting out designs is almost discriminatory in a way in my opinion. may just be me but separating the highest votes and lowest and oldest and newest is sorta like saying heres the winners and losers. i dont know if that make sense to everybody. i mean i do try really hard on my designs but also mentioned above was the idea of deleting or placing designs elsewhere that hardly got any votes in 24 hours is sorta mean. my first design i think only got 9 votes on the first day and i was super excited to get even 1 vote but for it to get deleted it probably would have crushed me because i spent all this time on it to be submitted and followed all the guidelines.
When I comment with an “Awesome” or “Love it” [and so on…] I do NOT spam! I mean it.
Basically, there is NO way to difference a non-spam from a spam so, in my opinion, DBH should NOT accuse us by spam.
Deal?…
I am guilty of spamming, but my only intention is to get noticed. Most of my comments on shirts that i chose is sincere. When i ask for support its the decision of that person if the shirt is worth for his/her vote. I thought this is one way of getting votes and get noticed but if call this as SPAMMING then I WON’T DO IT ANYMORE.
Thank you for your post, jimiyo. I appreciate that there is concern and a counteractive movement for this type of vote siphoning. I am new to the site, and while I was initially delighted at the existence of Design by Humans and the social integration into an artistic haven, I was quickly dismayed by the huge roll that advertising debauchery plays in campaigning. It did not take long for me to conclude that the ingenuity and composure of your design is often irrelevant when your promotion is founded on the number of pies you have your fingers in and the hyperlinks you have in comments. That is not to say that I diminish winning designs by any means, as many are the most creative art I could ever hope to wear. It is just disheartening to see a design go under the radar because its creator has the decency not to, for the lack of a more cultured term, prostitute their vote for the sake of their own advancement.
That is not to say that I do not understand beginners to the site who misguidedly would excessively advertise and I acknowledge the communal involvement that this fosters, but it is easy to abuse these communications and disrupt the structure of voting. I thoroughly enjoy the real comments and I hold deep appreciation for those who comment with provocative thought and worthwhile input. I just am at a loss for how turn a blind eye and take the high road when it seems so wrong to ignore.
Thanks for the forum topic Sir..I done that too,by a misunderstanding,shit.thought it’s “shameless self promotion”as a new comer here….im sorry for that..stopped it!
but not in such that bad manner…
there are some who posts links on the design comments like
OMG,awesome +1,vote for me @……(whole link)& yes….i noticed too…
ArtrocitY said: Yes please, DBH do something! I think it got worse, in the beginning when I joined it didn’t bother me that much but now it’s really annoying, and I just hate those “voted +1” just to see they didn’t actually vote! "…
very true
If there were some rules for this ,appreciated…
Cheers for DBH
Thanks for bringing this up, jimiyo. It is really annoying and I can imagine even more annoying for you guys who have to actually look and decide on the designs.
I wish I knew what DBH was like before this dark period. It is difficult to see a particularly awful design get supported because the commenter expects something in return. Is it not obvious how corrupt a spammer is when he dimwittedly posts the same sentence fragment and hyperlink in different designs by the same creator? It defeats the purpose of Design by Humans. I do not see how it is possible to win without greasing a few wheels to get your promotion in motion because of the current structure of voting. I do not merely think that this is an inconvenience, but it warrants an overhaul of the voting system. I do not mean to seem abrasive, but I feel that I need to say these things. As of now, it seems like hyperlinks and spammers alike have to be banned because of the same reason that trusts and pools were outlawed in American enterprise. What to do? Please, help me to understand the situation better.
Respiro said: When I comment with an “Awesome” or “Love it” [and so on…] I do NOT spam! I mean it.
Basically, there is NO way to difference a non-spam from a spam so, in my opinion, DBH should NOT accuse us by spam.
Deal?…
If you add a “Check out mine” comment after that it is spam. If you love a design express so, let your designs get votes by their own merits.
I read this and felt extremely embarrassed, i will stop tastelessly trying to promote my design (but as was already voiced in this forum i thought that was just how one was supposed to garner votes on this site) I hope anyone that was the victim of my spam will forgive me.
Langston said: I read this and felt extremely embarrassed, i will stop tastelessly trying to promote my design (but as was already voiced in this forum i thought that was just how one was supposed to garner votes on this site) I hope anyone that was the victim of my spam will forgive me.
Was your design deleted? Because I don’t see that you have any.
yes…cant c anything on ur profile dude?(Langston) what happened?
Good luck !
The short story is that me and my friend colaborated with me doing the lines and him doing the colors, so our design was posted on m3rKuRiaL ‘s profile. It was me who was doing the lion’s share of shameless spaming- since I glanced at our work today only to see it wallowing in anatomy.
lately spammers even don’t vote, just putting this same message everywhere :(
magicp said: lately spammers even don’t vote, just putting this same message everywhere :(
Yeah, I noticed that to… :/
Shoot ok I’ll stop from now on, but then it’s ok to say “I love it” if you actually love the design, I think there’s nothing wrong with that as long as there’s not a promotional message.
This is good to know.
I actually thought this (the “spamming”) is how this site rolls, sorry, but I only recently joined for the Kings Of Leon Contest. And to a newbie like me the spamming came across as the standard.
I may have participated as far as in posting a link to my design, but I always took the time to phrase an individual comment and I only vote for and comment on works I appreciate.
I agree!!…it makes me even vote for the sake of repaying them :( not because of the quality… another comment I don’t like is something like “nice design! voted. comment and vote too”… tsk3!!
BCHC said:thestray said: When they’re indiscriminately copy pasting the same thing on every design, they know exactly what they’re doing. “ecliptic_dc” for example has posted
“Cool Design. +1
Please check out my designs. If you like it, votes are appreciated.
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/register_vote?design_id=49878&rating=1
On every single entry on the first page. They know it’s wrong, but think they can get away with it, or nobody will notice.I didn’t notice this at first, but this one is worse than others.
As soon as you click that link, you VOTE.
If you want to or not.
Holy crap.
When I put a link is to my pics in Flickr (using their html share) so people can see other options or close ups. otherwise I really talk to people about what they did or to thank them for a constructive or nice comment…. Mostly I vote for other designs without even leaving a comment…. but some times I live a bit “nice” or “wow” or the +1 because it seems to be a habit to say that we vote… maybe there I can get seen as a spammer? So I guess I will make more attention to that.
Fabiofranca, as far as I know a spammer (in this community) is someone who says the same repetitive comment on a lot of designs just so people notice him and his designs. It’s often accompanied with the URL of the spammer’s design, and he writes the comment regardless of what design it actually is, jhe just wants to put it everywhere (spam).
Talking to people, constructive comments and encouragement is good! Keep doing it! What’s bad is not actually meaning the encouragement and just doing it so people vote for you.
This tread really deserves to be on the front page. So many copy/paste messages are popping up again.
wow i didnt know there are so many kind of spam,there is a guy who email me over and over and wants me to send him my designs so he can print them for himself ,usually i dont lose my temper and i dont mind of normal spams(please vote for my design!) ,but this one is very odd , i guess i better delete my email from my profile
we need a tattle button like one the other site has, can we get rid of these fools.
Well said jimiyo. When I first joined the site I did a lot of self advertising only because I didn’t know better. I saw other people do it so much I just figured that’s how the site ran. Then I was given some words of wisdom from cbass99. Like most of you I check out all the designs everyday, 10 times a day. There is no need to go around pasting links around the site. If people see your design and the genuinely like it, they will vote.
againstbound said:even a link to your design should be considered spam because there are two ways to get to the design you want people to see…. your nic and your pic(hey I made a rhyme to save time) that is all that is needed. I get furious about this spamming. argggg.Respiro said: When I comment with an “Awesome” or “Love it” [and so on…] I do NOT spam! I mean it.
Basically, there is NO way to difference a non-spam from a spam so, in my opinion, DBH should NOT accuse us by spam.
Deal?…If you add a “Check out mine” comment after that it is spam. If you love a design express so, let your designs get votes by their own merits.
hi humans!
just came out the shower and had an Idea… again for a feature…
that could help newbies that start spamming all over the place understand how the system works..
my idea would be:
inform the people right at the place where they start spamming:
as soon as someone starts typing something like a link you could blend in a message that informs the people about the spamming issue or link to this “Dear Spammers” Thread of jimiyo.
I was not aware of this problem until now.
I have been guilty of doing said this on a few posts recently, but I have not spammed every design in the running. I will refrain from it in future.
I believe “This Post” must be always on the top of the forum,so others , Specially newbies will read easily,.. This was really helped me to get rid of bad thing that i did 3 months ago ,,,,
Cheers :)
Sighs with relief
DBH is not the only site that has this problem, but I am glad that this issue is discussed here because in some sites, no one gives a damn, or that the owner often feels too powerless to control his own members; some other sites even encourage that kind of “self-promotion”. I often feel bad when someone comes in and says, “Hey, I like your stuff! Voted! Come over to mine and see if you like it.” I feel like I owe them something and though I am often eager to do them that favor, I cannot find myself to gag and click on the vote button when the designs are just … er … not worth it? … Sorry guys, to those who voted for me with that kind of expectation, I mean no offense. I am only being truthful.
I miss the days of people just saying nice things and critiquing each other’s work without running into a “ZOMG!!! So AmAzIng!?#@! you shouldz def check out my shirt! It rulez your mother in bed!! lolz. But seriously, please take a look at my fine work of art and vote for it so I can win money” post.
Oh spammers.
It is also kind of annoying to see people promoting their own shirt in these forums. I can understand posting unfinished work to gather critique, but posting a bulletin to say “Vote for my shirt” isn’t very cool. There are places to do that. Other artistic and social avenues are a great place for that, but not in this community.
Let your art speak for itself on here.
/sigh
You do have to realize a lot of these people are just trying to pool support for their shirt, because it is a very competitive website. I certain that most mean nothing more than that.
Having said that, I find it embarrassing to post something like “cool design, now check out mine because you are obligated to because I voted for yours”.
Im glad we have a forum now to discuss these things.
Now vote on… just kidding.
Ceddyishman said: You do have to realize a lot of these people are just trying to pool support for their shirt, because it is a very competitive website. I certain that most mean nothing more than that.
Of course that’s why their doing it, what other reason would there be? One guy posted several topics here in the forum about the same shirt, and by the looks of it he doesn’t take the time to read anything else on the forum, or even followup on his own topics. Just “HEY CHECK OUT MY SHIRT AND VOTE” and he’s gone.
I don’t think Jefferex was being sarcastic, or even referring to your post.
Being new here I have noticed this quite a lot. I was even tempted to do it myself. I only vote on designs I actually LIKE, and I would never beg for votes.
Funny, I thought it wasn’t as looked down upon here because on threadless they always rip people to shreds when they to that. People seem to more ignore it here. I don’t personally do it because I think its counter-productive to actual community building. I’m glad you’re putting it out there that its bad practice.
People, people – I have an idea for the site! It’s a little complicated though, so here goes…
Under the voting section, there would be a new method of viewing the t-shirts, and this would be primary way of viewing t-shirt entries. You have to confirm entering this ‘mode’, and also confirm exiting.
It would be set up as follows: there is a bar along the bottom showing 5 T shirts. When you click a shirt from the thumbnail, it loads fully above the bar. The next batch of shirts would be chosen by being THE LEAST VIEWED!! That’s the important part.
Inner workings:
When you confirm the entrance and exit of viewing the shirts, you know that all the shirts have definitely viewed, at least by the thumbnail. Having only 5 viewed at a time ensures the voter is concentrating on a smaller number leading to a more accurate popularity showing. Also, bandwidth for DBH is saved by only loading a small number of images. Therefore, some of the saved bandwidth can be used to preload the next batch of T shirts, meaning that voters are not hanging around waiting for pics to load. Maybe use a timer to ensure that voters do not move to quickly through the Ts?
By having the least viewed shown, it levels the playing field across all the T shirts. This discourages spammers, as if they do spam they do not get the advantage as their shirt is viewed less in this viewing mode.
The winners would be chosen as follows:
-Having at least a certain number of views
-Having a high vote-to-view ratio (as close to 1 as possible)
-And of course any other method of selecting winners as you do now
Mock-up of design here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35589034@N03/3574861092/
Used MS paint; I’m not an artist – it’s just to give a general jist of the idea.
Hands_on_Fire said: Funny, I thought it wasn’t as looked down upon here because on threadless they always rip people to shreds when they to that. People seem to more ignore it here. I don’t personally do it because I think its counter-productive to actual community building. I’m glad you’re putting it out there that its bad practice.
Yeah, I’m not trying to knock Threadless, but I think there’s a little more tact here at DBH. We generally just ignore what we don’t like instead of forming a mob, haha. Unless it’s theft, we’ll get the torches and pitchforks out for that.
Andybeano said: People, people – I have an idea for the site! It’s a little complicated though, so here goes…
Under the voting section, there would be a new method of viewing the t-shirts, and this would be primary way of viewing t-shirt entries. You have to confirm entering this ‘mode’, and also confirm exiting.
It would be set up as follows: there is a bar along the bottom showing 5 T shirts. When you click a shirt from the thumbnail, it loads fully above the bar. The next batch of shirts would be chosen by being THE LEAST VIEWED!! That’s the important part.
Inner workings:
When you confirm the entrance and exit of viewing the shirts, you know that all the shirts have definitely viewed, at least by the thumbnail. Having only 5 viewed at a time ensures the voter is concentrating on a smaller number leading to a more accurate popularity showing. Also, bandwidth for DBH is saved by only loading a small number of images. Therefore, some of the saved bandwidth can be used to preload the next batch of T shirts, meaning that voters are not hanging around waiting for pics to load. Maybe use a timer to ensure that voters do not move to quickly through the Ts?
By having the least viewed shown, it levels the playing field across all the T shirts. This discourages spammers, as if they do spam they do not get the advantage as their shirt is viewed less in this viewing mode.
The winners would be chosen as follows:
-Having at least a certain number of views
-Having a high vote-to-view ratio (as close to 1 as possible)
-And of course any other method of selecting winners as you do now
Mock-up of design here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35589034@N03/3574861092/
Used MS paint; I’m not an artist – it’s just to give a general jist of the idea.
All that to curb spamming? Is it worth it, haha. Let the spammers dig their own graves, all’s well that ends well.
You know what makes me sad? It’s when a bunch of spammers don’t know that they’re spamming and other people defend them thinking,“(They) don’t deserve to be treated that way!”
thestray said:Andybeano said: People, people – I have an idea for the site! It’s a little complicated though, so here goes…All that to curb spamming? Is it worth it, haha. Let the spammers dig their own graves, all’s well that ends well.
Well… it has it’s other advantages as well… spam curbing was just one
To each their own I guess, I like the way it works now. That way sounds like a turn off to me.
Meh. It’s only an concept to be thrown in to pool of ideas. Maybe a more simple solution would be to have an option for showing the least viewed; everyone wins that way – you can view it how you like.
EDIT: it wouldn’t stop spamming, but it might deter people slightly – and it makes the T shirt viewing more balanced.
ChefRAZ said: http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/55723
this designer is getting vote from spam, he spammed me, so I investigated. every comment on his post after the 17th one is from spam he left. very unfair.
I’m new to this site and I’m glad I read this since I have seen people spamming and it seemed as though it was ok to do this here. It’s only my second day here so now I know early on. Good and informative post that all newbies should see!
Just an idea to help out people their first week here: Maybe there can be a thread for the newbies to post their first designs and get acquainted with each other. Just a thought.
And yes spamming is annoying, but I wish that sometimes people could post more kindly to other members who make mistakes, especially when they are new. Sometimes I read some harsh reactions from other members.
Well that was my 2 cents:)
There’s no point for newbies to post their first designs in one thread. They’re submitted and seen like any other design on the voting pages. Don’t worry, people will see it.
Well, I do spam before and I do it for campaign for my artwork, forgive me to all if i didn’t know this thread before and now i will follow your rules DBH :). thanks for the thread J :).
When i let go of an artwork here it speaks for itself. No longer i do the talking. It has its own personality and it attracts people because of what it is. I’m happy that people do add some votes from time to time. I take time to check out the works of those who leave a comment on my page and try to learn from them. So i only get to spam my mind with their works.
hey guys wanna ask u something, my art got submited and up for voting, but i can’t see it yet on the voting page….does it take time to actually get into the voting page or is it a glitch or something?
oh yes, this i ask because i don’t like doing spam, so brute and honestly viel…….yeahhhh
I just submitted a design but I don’t see it in the vote section yet. Where is it?
All submissions must first go through an internal screening process before being accepted into our vote section, or rejected. This initial screening usually takes 24-72 hours (excluding weekends and holidays). Once your submission is either accepted or rejected, you will receive an email notification.
From the FAQ: http://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/faq
Can we tell them 2 check our design in our profile but not paste the link?
Jefferex said: Can we tell them 2 check our design in our profile but not paste the link?
aren’t you confident in your designs you made?everyone see the vote page, so your begging isn’t needed.If you see good art and like it. leave a note saying you like it. and if the person you left the note wants to check out your designs all they have to do is click your name or pic. asking them to check it out, equates to begging.
thank goodness i found this post.
information is vital since i’m a newbie.
it’s good to know now than later. hehe :)
Also, some post they voted you but doesn’t add a vote anyway. They’re just saying they voted. :/
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/58534?contest_id=21&filter=special&page=1
guys can u plz take time an vote for my brothers art he needs this so bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha, you have the nerve to spam in the DEAR SPAMMERS thread?? Holy bajeesuz!
how the hell does that design have 500+ votes? And this one (which i have lost all respect for)
MrRocks said: how the hell does that design have 500+ votes? And this one (which i have lost all respect for)
http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/58247
ya they are both pretty average. and for me, the whole anime thing completely turns me off. i hate it
this is getting ridiculous.
Looks they miss some respect.
I hope they both don’t win, not even as people choice.
Hope DBH can find something to give the contest a nice end with really deserved winners.
and I hope they erase all that spamming on the forums.
HEY Guys, take a look at this design http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/50299?page=105
i think this design is great & deserve to win !!!
what u think?
if Yes = Vote plz
Man, the spam is awful. I hope they clean it up. I can"t hate on the guy for having alot of friends or whatever, but I’ve liked DBH for the familiar faces and community aspect. I hope DBH will back up the fact that they support good art and good members, and not just networking skills.
biru.puisi said: HEY Guys, take a look at this design http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/50299?page=105
i think this design is great & deserve to win !!!
what u think?
if Yes = Vote plz
Here is spam in the thread about not spamming. What a turd!
I’m pretty sure DBH are not stupid and they know what to print.
They will spend money (prize and t-shirts) on a design.
A design that takes 500+ votes in few hours, voted by people subscribed the same month (or day) as the submission with no defaul icon, no orders and no other votes.
They probably wouldn’t print it because no one will but the t-shirt, and sure not 500 people ;)
I just ask myself where is the pleasure or the gratification to do this.
Even my t-shirt wasn’t printed, i know there are a lot of true people that likes it and this makes me feel proud and gives me the strenght to create new designs.
This is what i think.
MrRocks said: how the hell does that design have 500+ votes?
It looks like DBH Authorities dropped the hammer. Said sub is gone.
BenjaminPhantom said:biru.puisi said: HEY Guys, take a look at this design http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/50299?page=105
i think this design is great & deserve to win !!!
what u think?
if Yes = Vote plzHere is spam in the thread about not spamming. What a turd!
that’s determination…:D
FluentSword said:MrRocks said: how the hell does that design have 500+ votes?It looks like DBH Authorities dropped the hammer. Said sub is gone.
I wish I could see how pissed off they are right now, haha. I bet he cried.
I missed the whole soap opera, which is to say that I didn’t really miss anything. I can respect that a family wants to look out for their own, but there are good and bad ways to do anything.
I would have 500+ votes all the time….but none of my forest friends have computers or internet access.
FluentSword said:Jack Burton said: Henry Swanson’s my name, and excitement’s my game.
I knew you would appreciate my new avatar FS! “Indeed!”
yeah .. new here and have noticed that .. ive voted on a couple .. and mostly commented .. i suppose its a nasty habit .. good to see its been noticed
I don’t like the spammers because it makes you look too desperate. I’ll probably see the work anyway because I usually check EVERY new submission on the weekends…
I don’t mind one of my favorites telling me on my profile page that they have something new though. If I put you as my favortie that means I’m interested in your work, so it’s cool to let me know you have something new.
jimiyo said: Tim, you doing anything for 10K? Also yes, BTinLC FTW!
Yessir! I will parlay my obsession with robots into a 10K sub this week/weekend. I’m thinking about doing a ‘process thread’ around it too. Is that considered spamming if it’s edu-fuh-cational?
I figured your absence on the forums meant you were toiling away on something for the 10k already. I get the feeling there’s going to be a shit-ton of ridiculously good designs dropped in the last few days before the deadline.
FluentSword said: I figured your absence on the forums meant you were toiling away on something for the 10k already. I get the feeling there’s going to be a shit-ton of ridiculously good designs dropped in the last few days before the deadline.
I’ve been entertaining a few ideas, but had to narrow them down to something remotely marketable and appealing to the masses. I agree that this contest will bring out some monster talent, and considering the $10K prize we will surely see some horror and humanity on the threads in terms of dialogue. My popcorn is at the ready!
Hey guys,
I’m a newbie without a design up for voting to spam with at the moment (so chill). That said, I’m looking at putting one up soon. Is there a way to promote your work within DBH? I get how annoying the “Awesome. Check mine!” posts can be and don’t want to be one of those people. I know the facebook, email, friends, family etc. approach has been put forth by other people, but I’m curious if there is any polite way to promote on DBH?
Tigerbill said: Hey guys,
I’m a newbie without a design up for voting to spam with at the moment (so chill). That said, I’m looking at putting one up soon. Is there a way to promote your work within DBH? I get how annoying the “Awesome. Check mine!” posts can be and don’t want to be one of those people. I know the facebook, email, friends, family etc. approach has been put forth by other people, but I’m curious if there is any polite way to promote on DBH?
There’s really no need to promote here on DBH. Your design will already be in the vote section which most people check daily. They will have already seen it and formed their opinion on it, so there’s no real reason to show it a second time.
That said, I think the only real way to do it politely is if when making a thread in the forum (not a vote for my design thread) you can tag your design and it will show up on the page without it being super duper obvious and annoying.
Tigerbill said: …but I’m curious if there is any polite way to promote on DBH?
yes, there is: just put up your design and wait for the votes to come in (or not). and don’t post a “Hey guys, I need some critique/input/help/opinions on my design. please check out my old one here http://…” thread in the forum.
but that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Thanks guys. Etiquette in these communities isn’t always obvious so it’s good to get an idea of how things work before I go and unwittingly put my foot in it.
Peace.
you wouldn’t be the first one.
but alot of people here actually don’t seem to mind, since there are tons of posts, promoting designs.
My new favorite spam is when someone posts a picture of their sub in the comments on another sub. That’s really classy.
I like the spam when you comment someone’s designs then they post a comment on your profile telling you to go check out the design you just commented!
FluentSword said: My new favorite spam is when someone posts a picture of their sub in the comments on another sub. That’s really classy.
Yeah, I got one of those on my 10k, pretty obnoxious.
thestray said: Yeah, I got one of those on my 10k, pretty obnoxious.
Haha, yeah that looks familiar alright. I wonder how many other subs have that same misfortune.
FluentSword said:thestray said: Yeah, I got one of those on my 10k, pretty obnoxious.Haha, yeah that looks familiar alright. I wonder how many other subs have that same misfortune.
She removed it from my comments after she got a little talking to, haha.
Hands_on_Fire said: Man, the spam is awful. I hope they clean it up. I can"t hate on the guy for having alot of friends or whatever, but I’ve liked DBH for the familiar faces and community aspect. I hope DBH will back up the fact that they support good art and good members, and not just networking skills.
I think networking is a huge part of their goal and very smart on their part if you ask me. It forces thousands of people to visit the site and sign up, so in essence it’s free marketing, and If they keep it up they will have the largest internet contest site in the world. Not to mention the sales aspect.whooahahahha!!! Not that I like it cause it makes winning more difficult for us but you have to admit it is a good move speaking from a business standpoint
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Ebratrud said:Hands_on_Fire said: Man, the spam is awful. I hope they clean it up. I can"t hate on the guy for having alot of friends or whatever, but I’ve liked DBH for the familiar faces and community aspect. I hope DBH will back up the fact that they support good art and good members, and not just networking skills.I think networking is a huge part of their goal and very smart on their part if you ask me. It forces thousands of people to visit the site and sign up, so in essence it’s free marketing, and If they keep it up they will have the largest internet contest site in the world. Not to mention the sales aspect.whooahahahha!!! Not that I like it cause it makes winning more difficult for us but you have to admit it is a good move speaking from a business standpoint
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Well it’s good if those people become participating/buying members of the site. But most often, when someone is getting a hundred of their friends to come get the votes up, those people are never going to think twice about this site ever again. I get people to come support me here, but I also show them other designs they should vote for or buy, and even encourage them to submit if they’re fellow artists. That’s networking the site can benefit from. Getting your whole extended family to come give you an edge usually isn’t.
thestray said: Well it’s good if those people become participating/buying members of the site. But most often, when someone is getting a hundred of their friends to come get the votes up, those people are never going to think twice about this site ever again. I get people to come support me here, but I also show them other designs they should vote for or buy, and even encourage them to submit if they’re fellow artists. That’s networking the site can benefit from. Getting your whole extended family to come give you an edge usually isn’t.
I honestly think this happens way too much now-a-days. Everybody gets their local friends and family to come to the site and vote for them, but I can bet 90% of the time that’s all they do. Its started to turn this site into a popularity contest.
Well the good thing is that it doesn’t really help anyone get printed. So it’s not truly a popularity contest even though new people tend to think it is.
thestray said: Well the good thing is that it doesn’t really help anyone get printed. So it’s not truly a popularity contest even though new people tend to think it is.
I agree. I just think that the more it continues, the more people will think its commonplace and do it more and more. And like Jimiyo said in the original post, it just makes their job more difficult.
I’d be willing to bet that a majority of the shirts with 125+ votes are getting at least half of those from family and friends who will never come to the site again or ever buy a shirt…
so votes doesn’t really affect that much? other guys have hundreds of friends over social networks and signs up here just to vote and leave. Good thing that this site is not just based on votes and doesn’t rely on popularity. I still believe that only those who make artworks and has the love for designing have the right to vote here, “yeah you’ve got friends and they like your work so not to disappoint you.” Thanks to Jimiyo, I still believe what you can do about this growing popularity contest, maybe designs are much better judged by guys like you not by voters who doesn’t really care about what we are doing here. Thanks man.
well as this site gains more and more popularity, i believe that the voting will become useless. i know that it’s there to get an idea of what the ‘people’ are interested in wearing, but being here only a month, i can already see how people abuse it.
I have only been a member for only days and it is quite apperant this happens. There is one person I have seen on almost everyones comments saying hey are you the one that likes my type of artwork then come check it out and vote. It gets old!
So out of my excitement for participating in the 10K contest I ended up unintentionally spamming the DBH company…because i thought… Why not send a message…maybe someone hasn’t seen it and they will really like it?!(I mean I don’ know)… I only ask my “friends” to vote for my designs and somehow thought just sending it along to DBH staff wouldn’t be a problem. duhh…i was in a goofy mood.
Well, this is NOT a “smooth move” as I was informed…so I promptly felt like a ding dong idiot and apologized…
so Don’t be stupid like me okay!?
Yay!
I thought spammers was an effort to oppose the domination jimiyo, a mar illo and who won and that felt established with the form and always got appreciation. i think spammers might?. why not? then also that determined one design won or was not just staff DBH know. i think not staff stupid to choose design… but also one design won only was not determined by how many vote. was still appreciating them who tried to pull vote. if not this competition for only a popularity and just jimiyo, alia dotony, an mar illo always get many appreciation. I supportive spammaers why not… :)
afrar said: I thought spammers was an effort to oppose the domination jimiyo, a mar illo and who won and that felt established with the form and always got appreciation. i think spammers might?. why not? then also that determined one design won or was not just staff DBH know. i think not staff stupid to choose design… but also one design won only was not determined by how many vote. was still appreciating them who tried to pull vote. if not this competition for only a popularity and just jimiyo, alia dotony, an mar illo always get many appreciation. I supportive spammaers why not… :)
Some one tell me what he/she said-ok?
afrar said: I thought spammers was an effort to oppose the domination jimiyo, a mar illo and who won and that felt established with the form and always got appreciation. i think spammers might?. why not? then also that determined one design won or was not just staff DBH know. i think not staff stupid to choose design… but also one design won only was not determined by how many vote. was still appreciating them who tried to pull vote. if not this competition for only a popularity and just jimiyo, alia dotony, an mar illo always get many appreciation. I supportive spammaers why not… :)
Uhmm…..huh?
afrar said: im he. why ChefRaz?…why Odetti? what your tell me?
I just have no idea what you were trying to say.
I spammed when i first came on here, as far as family and friends go, they probably would make up less than 5 votes of each of my designs. I try not to involve them. I’d rather have 60 votes from the public on my design than 100+ knowing that heaps were made up of friends and family. They are biased voters haha.
zerobriant said: I did some spamming, i need some spanking:)
If you spank me… I’ll spank you ;)
kristenhoward said:zerobriant said: I did some spamming, i need some spanking:)If you spank me… I’ll spank you ;)
spank
xD
Seems like a lot of new members have jumped on the spamming bandwagon lately. Really annoying.
yeah i agree im fairly new myself but since ive been here (which is only been two months) its been spam central. its very annoying but i guess its up to da folkz that knw spamming on here is bad to let da new folks knw its is bad as well. which can b a daunting tasks due to the amount of new traffic coming through.
It is very difficult to speak of spam, I think many have done … I did, I think respect is what leads us to live together in peace … I promise to stop. But with all due respect we deserve … thanks ddeti
I did some spamming in start but now I am caring here because of this great thread :) Thanks Jimiyo!
i do post my link whenever i vote on someones, but i always offer critique to each. So its NOT spam, and i only comment on a few here and there on the truly exceptional pieces. =D Jimiyo, since you are the leader who picks what to print where do i earn my brownie points =D
Oddeti said: Seems like a lot of new members have jumped on the spamming bandwagon lately. Really annoying.
THE SPAMWAGON
Oddeti said: Seems like a lot of new members have jumped on the spamming bandwagon lately. Really annoying.
THE SPAMWAGON
Oddeti said: Seems like a lot of new members have jumped on the spamming bandwagon lately. Really annoying.
THE SPAMWAGON
ApathyDinosaur said: i do post my link whenever i vote on someones, but i always offer critique to each. So its NOT spam, and i only comment on a few here and there on the truly exceptional pieces. =D Jimiyo, since you are the leader who picks what to print where do i earn my brownie points =D
Don’t worry about posting a link. Your design will be seen by the people who matte (DBH), and if it’s really good it will get a decent amount of votes too. The votes feel good, but they’re not the be all end all, so don’t sweat it or worry about it too much. Do your best on the art and the rest will take care of itself.
ApathyDinosaur said: i do post my link whenever i vote on someones, but i always offer critique to each. So its NOT spam, and i only comment on a few here and there on the truly exceptional pieces. =D Jimiyo, since you are the leader who picks what to print where do i earn my brownie points =D
eh its SPAM, its just not hardcore spam.
no one ever clicks those anyways, FYI.
I’m doing maybe 3 or so critiques a day so no, not spam. It’s just a reference link ;)
ApathyDinosaur said: I’m doing maybe 3 or so critiques a day so no, not spam. It’s just a reference link ;)
it doesnt matter how much or how little you do it, if it is not related to what you post it is spam. plain and simple. there are no shades of grey in this one.
they could click on your avitar if they wanted to see the tallent of the one giving them a critique…That’s usually what I do.
Yep I agree I hate spamming too, This has been a great topic and has made me chuckle with delight ;) Its very hard when your a new comer to the community and it takes a while to get noticed, I’m still working on it, you just gotta keep positive and fair and work hard! Good Luck everyone.
what I call spam is this oddball guy who I am deleting everytime who keeps asking questions – you all know who I mean? but otherwise, it takes a LONG time to sift through the links and vote, I do that in leisure time – but if someone doesn’t stop by or “spam” me – I won’t see what they have.
Bohemiantoe said: what I call spam is this oddball guy who I am deleting everytime who keeps asking questions – you all know who I mean? but otherwise, it takes a LONG time to sift through the links and vote, I do that in leisure time – but if someone doesn’t stop by or “spam” me – I won’t see what they have.
Why won’t you see? They’ll be in the first few vote pages.
thestray said:Bohemiantoe said: what I call spam is this oddball guy who I am deleting everytime who keeps asking questions – you all know who I mean? but otherwise, it takes a LONG time to sift through the links and vote, I do that in leisure time – but if someone doesn’t stop by or “spam” me – I won’t see what they have.Why won’t you see? They’ll be in the first few vote pages.
because there are 75 or so pages worth of subs, the first few people tend to look at and then they get bored, tired, busy whatever- and quit looking. Those are the non members, perhaps or old timer’s like you ;-) There’s also the fact, I don’t have time to look every single day. If somebody checks out a page, comments and sends a link, requesting a view of theirs – how is that spam? Unless they are doing that on the same person’s page repeatedly? That is in essence, what spam is – “unwanted repetitive mail”.
My own email confirmation from an accepted sub from DBH says such words as “shameless promotion” – and “tell your friends/family” — then when a person gets friends or family, etc to vote for them half the time they’re accused of having illegitimate votes or ppl say it’s not a popularity contest, etc..
Rather contrary don’t you think?
Every person who comes onto this page is also a potential consumer – , and aside from this forum – I’ve seen derogatory remarks flying around like a realllll group of professional designers for joe public to view w/o signing in. (note: yes that is sarcasm) I personally wouldn’t buy a shirt from somebody if I saw they were posting nasty attitudes all over the place regardless of how fabulous it looks, I’m not going to support a jerk.
Design your shirts with luv or artistic angst, not nasty bad ’tudes. :p
Bohemiantoe
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You have the option on the upper right corner of his post, to delete it from your own page – that’s what I did with this guy who has a “survey”.
In regards to “spammer scum” —
*quote/ confirmation email message from DBH *
Congratulations! Your design has been accepted and is now viewable for voting and commenting in our Submissions Gallery.
Be sure to tell your friends to go vote for your design!
To help you in your attempts at shameless self-promotion, copy and paste this code into an email or blog posting to help people vote on your design.
*end of quote
If someone is going onto every SINGLE member’s page, I could consider that spam but if the person is browsing, voting, etc – wtf is the problem? If YOU don’t like it – then delete their comment.
Like you can delete mine. ;-)
wtf is my problem? well it gets through my email, that’s what. You can see in my status that i do no like spam messages. Maybe you should read every argument in this post, and see my sentiments along with the others. -michelle
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I’m relatively new on here too – some ppl just have their panties in a bunch but they can delete anything from their profile they don’t want. Relax. :-) How else are people going to get their designs viewed when not everyone coming here takes the time out to get onto the voting page and browse?. It’s 75 pages or so, last I looked – so visiting a profile, commenting, etc – is as I view it – par for the course.
never ends, huh. :)
I filter my email (its an option in your profile) so I don’t get every single remark, that includes all of the forum posts I make. Simple as that.
I’ve read quite a few of the threads on this particular topic already and will just stand by what I said to Stray and say it to you. How is it spam? Is it one single person, singling YOU out and repeatedly posting to you – to go check out their design? Aside from this OP that is, is that actually happening to you?
I would concur with you if it’s the same person over and over with the same link – but I stopped at your page a priori and didn’t see that. Several people did the “vote for me if you like” routine – but again, how is THAT, in particularly – spam?
(I am not talking about this one person the OP was talking about in particular )
mitelsantiago said: Bohemiantoe
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I’m relatively new on here too – some ppl just have their panties in a bunch but they can delete anything from their profile they don’t want. Relax. :-) How else are people going to get their designs viewed when not everyone coming here takes the time out to get onto the voting page and browse?. It’s 75 pages or so, last I looked – so visiting a profile, commenting, etc – is as I view it – par for the course.
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never ends, huh. :)
correct.
so yeah may be its not spam when you want to get noticed by people…and trying for people to take a look at your design…that’s not spam…to comment on their design after voting and asking them for their support, that’s not spam…SPAM is as I read a few posts above repetitive email messaging that has nothing to do with the work on the webpage…so that is.
The newest subs are added to the first page of voting, usually between 8 and 25 designs per day, right? There are 40 design per page. So even if you miss a day or two, you are still only going to have to look at the first (or possibly first AND second page) to see what you missed. Tough cookies.
I get that oldest subs are in the last pages, and there are currently 71 pages of designs to vote on. But the longer you have been a member of DBH, the more designs you will have seen soon after they were accepted for voting. Thus, you’ll have gotten acquainted with voting page #38 or #56 or #27, and don’t have to go looking through all those pages to vote on designs. Remember, there are thousands of other members on here, from all different time zones, checking for new subs all the time. Your vote isn’t the only one that counts. Don’t worry if you missed a few.
Personally, I hate spamming, and probably won’t vote on your design if you’re going around asking ppl for votes, even if I DO like it. Someone has probably voted for you JUST because you asked, and that can count as my vote. Besides, where’s your pride? Can’t you see that asking ppl for votes is not the same as receiving a vote because your design was good enough to warrant it?
Bottom line is that Jimiyo and DBH have said that it is something that they wish you would not do. So because of that………just don’t do it. It really is that simple.
Problem solved.
Your welcome. :)
“Be sure to tell your friends to go vote for your design!”
If that’s how you justify spamming, I’m not your friend. ’Kay, Pumpkin? = P
of course if that’s something they don’t want us to do, we shall not do it.
and people do have a pride, they are not telling people to vote on their design they are asking their opinion and if they like it, well then vote….good we got that cleared out.
does anyone know how do they choose the winners if they do not choose them based only on votes?
Would be nice then, Oddeti – if it was not “encouraged” so to speak on the sub page.
(from said page)
. Promote your design
Spread the word by letting friends and family know how talented you are!
4. How Are Winners Chosen?
Winners are chosen depending on many factors such as the number of votes the submission has received, the rate at which it has received the votes, where the votes are coming from, the comments on the submission, and where/from whom comments are coming from. If a submission is performing extremely well it will be chosen as a winner. Submissions that are chosen as one of our winning Shirts of the Day will then be eligible to be selected as a winning Shirt of the Week and/or Month. For more details on the contest and prizes go here. Fraud voting is tracked and will not be considered in the overall score of a design.
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*fixed code error
If people don’t want to get spammed and call this spam – then DBH can revise the submission text so new people will know it’s considered spam instead of “shameless self promotion” ay?
Some go about their networking the wrong way, sure – but maybe if they saw it in the sub gl’s to begin with – it would curtail.
. How Are Winners Chosen?
Winners are chosen depending on many factors such as the number of votes the submission has received, the rate at which it has received the votes, where the votes are coming from, the comments on the submission, and where/from whom comments are coming from. If a submission is performing extremely well it will be chosen as a winner. Submissions that are chosen as one of our winning Shirts of the Day will then be eligible to be selected as a winning Shirt of the Week and/or Month. For more details on the contest and prizes go here. Fraud voting is tracked and will not be considered in the overall score of a design.
“to comment on their design after voting and asking them for their support, that’s not spam”-ernestojj23
this is something you shouldn’t do either.
you are probably right, I should trust that all the great designers in this webpage are going to take a look at my design and if they like it they will certainly vote, thanks for the cue mitelsantiago..
There are things on DBH’s FAQ page an submission page that do need revised, but that’s why this thread is here. So that until they get around to changing those pages, this will make it known that spamming will hurt your chances of being chosen as a winner.
Just let your artwork speak for itself. If people really think it is worthy of a print, they will vote for it without you having to ask them to.
ernestojj23 said: of course if that’s something they don’t want us to do, we shall not do it.
and people do have a pride, they are not telling people to vote on their design they are asking their opinion and if they like it, well then vote….good we got that cleared out.
does anyone know how do they choose the winners if they do not choose them based only on votes?
designs are picked based on how popular they are (not just votes but comments as well and who the votes come from) and more importantly the quality of the design, how likely they are to sell well, and how much they would cost to print. an excellent one colour design with a lot of good comments and votes will probably get printed sooner than an ok design with a lot of votes and empty comments thats a lot of colours.
so they give everyday, a prize for shirt of the day… Do they announce that?
Bohemiantoe, I agree that part of the rules should be rewritten. It puts way too much weight on the votes, who really aren’t that important for choosing the winners. Many people seem to believe that you win because of votes (pretty much making this a popularity contest) and are surprised when they don’t win when they have lots of votes. Then some of us go tell them that votes won’t make them win, and sometimes the artist gets defensive thinking they’re just jealous (I mean, the rules seem to say votes makes you win, why should I believe this dude) and then poop slinging everywhere.
Now I have nothing against making your friends vote, they’re potential customers which is good. I just prefer promotion external to DBH (as in other sites, such as facebook, twitter, etc, or friends, or other things) than seeing the DBH forums and profile pages flooded.
Once spamming starts it’s hard to stop, and other people see the ones doing it and think “if they do it I can do it too” and then more and more people do it. I can’t remember which contest it was, but there was a contest when more than half the first forum page was spam. So I’m glad people are making sure that won’t happen again.
ernestojj23 said: so they give everyday, a prize for shirt of the day… Do they announce that?
Announce what? The shirt of the day? It’s in the front page: http://www.designbyhumans.com/
That’s why the shirt there changes every day. The artist recieves $500 USD and $250 DBH store credit, more if they attain Shirt of the Week status (most sold shirt of the week gets it I think, I’m not sure). More info here: http://www.designbyhumans.com/win/contest_rules_and_prizes
OmarO hits the nail on the head. If comments asking for votes are encouraged then that’s all we’ll see. It used to be a lot worse before this topic was posted. When DBH tells you to go tell your friends and family, I think they mean outside of DBH, not within it. They want you to bring them new customers. There’s no point in asking for votes here because we already look at the subs and vote on what we like. Yeah there are 70 something pages of subs, but you only need to look through the first few to see new subs. Nobody on page is 58 is going to be commenting you asking for a vote, so there’s no reason to think you won’t see a submission unless someone links you. But you know, I get it, and I don’t blame anyone if they’re not obnoxious about it. I thought that’s how it was when I got here too.
i got accused of spamming the other day and my post in the forum was removed, i did genuinely press save twice, i run on bt internet in the uk and its slow as hell and i’m impatient lol. as my post was just letting people know who comented on my design when in progress it was out there i was a bit peeved by some comments, but on reflection after reading what thestray said i did technicly spam, but it was not intended.
Circusofmisfortune next time just update the thread that showed the progress (either by making a new post or editing the thread, both send the thread back on top I think); people wouldn’t have been as bothered by that (as far as I know) since they could see the progress thread and not just the promotion part.
my browser has doubled posted before, don’t know why maybe I’m a heavy handed mouse clicker – but it lets me delete one, Circus – hope that info helps.
i agree..
yet what about when new users come into the community, and they see people doing it and they notice its working and getting votes. how would they no that its not really the best thing for their designs!?….